So I Guess You’d Prefer Anarchy?

From an email forum for expats in Germany, a cry for help from a non-German (guess which nationality) married to a German:

Last night my husband informed me offhand he needed to pay his bi-yearly car tax again. Since he recently joined a new firm which provides their employees a company car I inquired which car he meant… He said no, he was paying the taxes on a car he hasn’t owned for the past nine and a half years. !!!

After my initial shock I inquired further and the story unfolded as follows. In mid 1998 (before I joined him) he owned a used Volkswagen Polo. He was a career Army guy back then and while on the way to work one day the car began to smoke, got too hot apparently, and the motor locked up on him on the autobahn. After having it inspected he learned that to fix the car would take more than what it was worth, so he contacted a junkyard in Bonn and arranged to have it towed away and junked. No money changed hands so there was no receipt.

…My husband informed me there are (at least) two sets of papers required to own a vehicle. One set are for ownership and the other are something to do with the allowance to drive it on the public roads. I’ll have to take his word for that. When the junking company showed up he was required to give them the ownership papers and the other papers he kept.

No money changed hands so there was no receipt to show any transaction had taken place. The company simply showed up with a wrecker, hauled the car away and that was that. He was supposed to receive some kind of documentation per mail (transferral of ownership?) regarding the car but very shortly after this happened he…was out of the country for approximately a year.

When he returned he found out he was still being billed for the taxes on the car. When he went to the tax office to straighten things out he was told he needed proof of the transferral of ownership in order to stop being taxed. He went to the junkyard and requested a copy of the paperwork they had, only to be told they didn’t have a clue what he was talking about, didn’t know which car he meant, and couldn’t help him.

He went back to the tax office and they told him without those papers he has to pay the tax or they will prosecute him. He yo-yo’ed back and forth between the two offices for a while longer with no result before he gave up and paid the tax. After a few years of paying the tax and it being a hardship he decided to try again to resolve the problem, only to find the junkyard had gone out of business.

Now it seems we’re stuck paying this tax (approximately 400,-Euros per year) forever on a vehicle that hasn’t been in our possession for going on nine and a half years. I am highly frustrated about this and the fact he’s been simply paying it year after year without getting it taken care of, but he says he’s exhausted the known possibilities and it’s at an end.


15 thoughts on “So I Guess You’d Prefer Anarchy?

  1. Tolle Geschichte. Ich würde sagen, der Mensch ist nicht ganz klar im Kopf. Oder er liebt Deutschland so sehr, dass er einfach gerne 400 EUR im Jahr für die Allgemeinheit spendet. Er Im Ernst: er kann das Auto bei der Polizei als gestohlen oder abhanden gekommen melden. Dann mit dem Bescheid der Polizei zur Zulasssungsstelle gehen und das Auto abmelden (aus der Story wird nicht ganz klar, ob es noch zugelassen ist? Eigentlich muss es noch zugelassen sein). Dann eine Kopie der Abmeldungsurkunde zum Finanzamt schicken. Wenn dann trotzdem ein Bescheid kommt, Widerspruch einlegen und ggf. vor dem Finanzgericht klagen.


  2. How can he report the car stolen when he gave away the ownership papers? He can’t even prove that (supposedly stolen) car has been his… tough one.


  3. That’s not a problem, he can declare that all papers have been lost/stolen. To prove that the (inexistent) car really is “his” the police will take a look into the electronic car registry. All he needs is the licence plate no.


  4. The story appears to be somewhat dubious: For one thing, that junkyard sure is the first one I’ve ever encountered that provides all its services (including sending out their towing track) totally free of charge. Then again, maybe that is why they have gone out of business.

    Seriously, I’d say it’s more probable that husband has some other girl someplace and has given her the car while still paying tax for it, and just made up the story for his wife.


  5. The junkyard didn’t take the car “for free,” they probably offered to tow the car away without payment in return for being able to own and keep it. You can sell a non-working car in the U.S. for 300-400 dollars. After all, a junkyard can sell all the parts of the car that still work, or perhaps just repair the engine with chewing-gum and duct-tape and then sell the car to some unsuspecting new buyer!


  6. German Anarchists need Help from all their Friends all over the World! von winfried sobottka a speaker of German Anarchists in FRG and Austria (Gast)

    heute, 04:46 Uhr

    German Rule lies in the hands of SS and breaks every law well covered. The SS ist still alive and murdering, Germany´s Justice doesn´t take care of any law!

    We Anarchists in Germany and Austria need maximal support at this time, we are going to revolt against the political system!

    Have a look at us and give us support to fight in Internet!

    Please look at the following positions regarding the Google-List:

    Dr. med. Bernd Roggenwallner

    Rechtsanwältin Henriette Lyndian

    OSTA Petra Hermes Dortmund

    Richter Helmut Hackmann Landgericht Dortmund

    StA Bittner Dortmund

    in combination with my name Winfried Sobottka or Sobottka only!

    We are fighting in Germany, but for the sake of the whole world!

    If we will have won here, Anarchy will win everywhere next day!

    by the name of German and Austrian Anarchists

    Winfried Sobottka


  7. It has been a louzy error – the .tl domain is registered in Fürth, FRG.

    I am using now the real US-registered Domain:

    Reading those words about the end of my fight for all You will get informations about the true horror in Germany just today: The SS of Himmler, Heydrich and Dr. Mengele didn´t die in 1945, she is alive yet, even if it is best covered. “Bitternmark” ´s murders gave the murders the chance for a new way of SS-Rule: Official swearing to be Democrats, but undercover doing the most cruel crimes.

    Especially use this LINK about a German KOK whose name is Neubert and things going on in Dortmund:

    Winfried Sobottka Karl-Haarmann-Str. 75 44536 Lünen


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